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Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

Last post 01-25-2012 9:19 AM by David Gell. 18 replies.
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  • 01-20-2012 11:51 AM

    Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Hi,


    Been using Painter 12 now just about since it was released. I have updated the program to the 12.1 update and absolutely love the software...

    However, one minor issue i find is that when using some brushes, if I flip my Intuos pen upside down to use the eraser, the pen Damping always reverts to 50% when I return to use the nib end of the pen no matter what I had it set to previously. I have found that it does not do this on the Pencil brushes.

    Are there any settings that would overide this?

    Im using Windows 7 32bit with a Wacom Intuos 4 running the latest drivers.

    Any help would be appreciated!

    Andy

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
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  • 01-20-2012 3:59 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Hi Andy,

    I use damping on most of my brushes and I have noticed, even in P11, you may have to adjust the damping for the eraser seperately.

    ~John

    No, no I never guess. It is a shocking habit - destructive to the logical faculty.
    ---Sherlock Holmes
  • 01-21-2012 7:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    John, its actually when returning to the brush after using the eraser that the damping resets.


    Brush... set to 100 damping

    Flip pen over to use eraser

    Flip pen back to use brush

    Brush damping has reset to 50

     

    Andy

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
  • 01-21-2012 10:48 AM In reply to

    • Fes
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    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Sounds like a bug then.  I wonder if you save the brush as a new brush (not just alter the setting on the current brush) with damping set to 100 (so if you reset that new brush to default, 100 would be it's default), whether the eraser switch would affect it?

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  • 01-21-2012 8:05 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Andy,

    I seem to remember that was a problem in P11 until it was fixed in SP1 for P11.

     

    ~John

    No, no I never guess. It is a shocking habit - destructive to the logical faculty.
    ---Sherlock Holmes
  • 01-21-2012 9:11 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Andy,

    I discovered a workaround for the dampening reset on the eraser. Instead of using the default eraser, I selected an eraser brush with the eraser end and set the dampening. When I go back to the pen end and make some strokes, then go to the eraser end it remembers the settings. It also remembers the size of the eraser.

    ~John

    No, no I never guess. It is a shocking habit - destructive to the logical faculty.
    ---Sherlock Holmes
  • 01-22-2012 10:57 AM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    While this may be a bug it shows a big improvement over Painter X or Painter 11, in both of those versions fliping the Wacom stylus to use the eraser caused Painter to crash.
    Most of us adopted the habit of choosing the eraser tool or choosing one of the erasers from the brush panel instead, this may be why you are not getting many responses. For most of us not using the eraser end of the stylus has become habit.

    Claudia

  • 01-22-2012 1:14 PM In reply to

    • David Gell
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    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    It sounds like the SaveRestoreDamping flag is missing in the variant xml file selected after using the eraser.

    This issue has been going on right from version 7, and needs to be eradicated once and for all in the Corel default brush libraries prior to public release;

    Lifting the Dampers off SaveRestoreDamping

    Restoring Missing Painter Variant xml dab-flags (Mac OSX Leopard)

    David

  • 01-22-2012 1:51 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Fes, I tried that, makes no difference... cheers for the input though :)

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
  • 01-22-2012 1:53 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    John,

    Thanks, I just tried that... much better but does not appear to remember the dampning independently... if I set it at 100 for the nib, then at 72 for the eraser, it then applies 72 to the nib end when flipped over.

    Better than going back to 50 each time however, thanks :)

     

    vapsman88:

    Andy,

    I discovered a workaround for the dampening reset on the eraser. Instead of using the default eraser, I selected an eraser brush with the eraser end and set the dampening. When I go back to the pen end and make some strokes, then go to the eraser end it remembers the settings. It also remembers the size of the eraser.

    ~John

     

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
  • 01-22-2012 1:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Claudia,

    Its a shame as the facility is there, but obviously contains a bug of some kind :(

     

    cpendlay:

    While this may be a bug it shows a big improvement over Painter X or Painter 11, in both of those versions fliping the Wacom stylus to use the eraser caused Painter to crash.
    Most of us adopted the habit of choosing the eraser tool or choosing one of the erasers from the brush panel instead, this may be why you are not getting many responses. For most of us not using the eraser end of the stylus has become habit.

    Claudia

     

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
  • 01-22-2012 2:08 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Thanks for the information David,

    Think you are right about the damping, this problem isnt across all brushes, just certain ones. "Pens" for example.

     

    David Gell:

    It sounds like the SaveRestoreDamping flag is missing in the variant xml file selected after using the eraser.

    This issue has been going on right from version 7, and needs to be eradicated once and for all in the Corel default brush libraries prior to public release;

    Lifting the Dampers off SaveRestoreDamping

    Restoring Missing Painter Variant xml dab-flags (Mac OSX Leopard)

    David

     

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
  • 01-22-2012 4:58 PM In reply to

    • David Gell
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    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    The following brush libraries have been modified from the Painter 12 default libraries. The SaveRestoreDamping and SaveRestoreMouseParams dab flags have been re-instated where they have been previously missing in the xml. No other changes have been made.

    I have added a _mod suffix to each library to differentiate.

    To install the libraries in Painter 12/12.1 after unzipping, place each library folder (with contents) at the top level of the Painter 12 application folder > Brushes folder then relaunch/restart Painter. The respective libraries can then be loaded via. the Brush Selector flyout menu.

    All previous problems with Painter not remembering non-default Damping settings on a number of the variants should now be a thing of the past. Any custom variants created from the modified variants should not contain missing dab flags, so the issue will no longer be viral.

    Downloads;

    Painter_Brushes_mod.zip

    Painter_12_Brushes_mod.zip

    David

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  • 01-22-2012 5:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    Many thanks David, thats awesome! I will give them a go!

    Thanks again! :)

    Freelance Illustrator from the UK

    www.andy-carolan.co.uk
  • 01-22-2012 6:09 PM In reply to

    • David Gell
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    Re: Wacom, Pens, Erasers and Damping

    AndyCarolan:

    Many thanks David, thats awesome! I will give them a go!

    Thanks again! :)

    No problem Andy. Luckily I was able to automate the process.

    Below is a link to modified Painter 12 Extra Content Brush libraries. There were 377 variants in these libraries which did not originally have a SaveRestoreDamping flag;

    Extra_Content_Brushes_mod.zip

    Note that the unzipped enclosing folder (Extra_Content_Brushes_mod) for the above download is not  a brush library folder. The actual brush libraries are containted at the top level of this folder (eg. Calligraphy Brushes, Effects 1 etc.). I have only added the _mod suffix to the enclosing folder name, so although modified, the brush libraries this contains all have the same names as the originals.

    I have not checked/done anything with any variants which are in the Painter 12 custom workspaces.

    David 

     

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